Yes, I was forced in the LDS church (don't ask) for a while.
Let me make it perfectly clear that Mormons are just like members of everyone else. You will get a completely different response from everyone you ask. It is unfair to clump something someone says in the name of the church to speak for all the members of the church. There is also church docterine and beliefs of individuals. They vary wildly. The official church rule is very conservative, but erring on politically correct: it won't due to piss off the universe, would it? That being said, on to the stereotypes :)
What Card says in his paper is very similar to official church docterine. The church is very much of the philosophy that it's okay to "be gay," just not "act gay." All members of the church are held under the same values. Homosexuality is a sin because two members of the opposite sex cannot be married, and therefore that breaks the "no sex before marriage" commandment. If you really want to make a mormon's head spin, ask them if that means that homosexual couples who get married are therefore not sinning (civil unions and non-church marriages are seen a legitimate in the church's eyes...if it's f/m). The answer, is obviously "no," but it's fun to back them into a corner. :)
Card's paper is what I imagine would be the church's official stance, if not for politics. Arrest all the fags, lock them out of the work place, put them in concentration camps, gas them...but i digress...
I, too, read this and thought "someone's afraid of his own homosexuality!" I do feel sorry for him, if this is the case. Afterall, he's been brought up thinking that his natural inclinations are "wrong," and that he's a dirty person. This would certainly explain his anger!
As for the interview. She is a stronger person than I. The main reason I couldn't bring myself to read Ender's Game (even tho' I have the book) was because of Card's personal views. It is so hard for me to read somthing by an author who views are so entirely at war with mine. It colours my whole experience.
To address you question about married "sexual powers." Again, no one mormon is the same, and everyone has different views. Official church stance is that sex is a beautiful love-act (or some such nonsense) to creat children. Like the catholic church, officially, the church is against anything that prevents pregnancy. Obviously, not all mormons feel this way, just as not all mormons feel homosexuals should be outcast from the church.
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My turn to chime in!
Date: 2005-05-21 05:43 pm (UTC)From:Let me make it perfectly clear that Mormons are just like members of everyone else. You will get a completely different response from everyone you ask. It is unfair to clump something someone says in the name of the church to speak for all the members of the church. There is also church docterine and beliefs of individuals. They vary wildly. The official church rule is very conservative, but erring on politically correct: it won't due to piss off the universe, would it? That being said, on to the stereotypes :)
What Card says in his paper is very similar to official church docterine. The church is very much of the philosophy that it's okay to "be gay," just not "act gay." All members of the church are held under the same values. Homosexuality is a sin because two members of the opposite sex cannot be married, and therefore that breaks the "no sex before marriage" commandment. If you really want to make a mormon's head spin, ask them if that means that homosexual couples who get married are therefore not sinning (civil unions and non-church marriages are seen a legitimate in the church's eyes...if it's f/m). The answer, is obviously "no," but it's fun to back them into a corner. :)
Card's paper is what I imagine would be the church's official stance, if not for politics. Arrest all the fags, lock them out of the work place, put them in concentration camps, gas them...but i digress...
I, too, read this and thought "someone's afraid of his own homosexuality!" I do feel sorry for him, if this is the case. Afterall, he's been brought up thinking that his natural inclinations are "wrong," and that he's a dirty person. This would certainly explain his anger!
As for the interview. She is a stronger person than I. The main reason I couldn't bring myself to read Ender's Game (even tho' I have the book) was because of Card's personal views. It is so hard for me to read somthing by an author who views are so entirely at war with mine. It colours my whole experience.
To address you question about married "sexual powers." Again, no one mormon is the same, and everyone has different views. Official church stance is that sex is a beautiful love-act (or some such nonsense) to creat children. Like the catholic church, officially, the church is against anything that prevents pregnancy. Obviously, not all mormons feel this way, just as not all mormons feel homosexuals should be outcast from the church.
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