Wow, that was really educational. Hmm...I didn't know that either, considering that was one of the things that bothered me as a kid...I almost thought there were TOO many potentially homosexual entendres in some of his books (particularly the Homecoming series) -- I was an exceptionally prudish child, believe it or not. Though...knowing his background, it doesn't surprise me. Sadly, I've heard very similar views often before from other members of the LDS church...and elsewhere.
Wow...that interview did turn hostile fast! I have to say, the interviewer was being a tad biased in her own perception of it (though as it's an honest opinion from her viewpoint, I see nothing wrong with that), but some of the things he says kinda pissed me off too. Ugh...reading his own essay is a terrible experience in justification.
I know both sides of an issue do it...leap to justify, making claims that aren't supportable and are primarily opinion based and simply self-righteous, but still...
Ignoring his comments on the military, his views on homosexuality are disturbing--that it's basically an immature, childish lifestyle that is ultimately unfulfilling--are disturbing. As are the view that one should deny it even if predispositioned. Acting out on homosexuality isn't exactly like acting on the desire to kill one's acquantainces, after all.
The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.
I love that last bit. Okay, so not only should they deny it, but they should allow us to deny it. I hate the "shove it back in the closet" attitude. Seriously. Pretending something doesn't exist and isn't going on is the true childishness. Because he says it's important not to shake the "confidence of the community" it's almost as if he's treating the community as the child which needs protection from the realities of the outside world. Kinda reminds me of The Giver, actually...
I predicted toward the beginning of the preceding essay that those who have already accepted the dogmas of the homosexual community as a source of truth superior to the words of the prophets would be incapable of reading what I had actually written here and would instead interpret my words as intolerance, oppression, gay-bashing, or, an epithet used now without a shred of its original meaning, "homophobia." My prediction was exactly fulfilled
So basically...what Card is saying is that disagreement with him is just due to closed mindedness or brainwashing? Well that's a nice way to say "I'm always right."
I do find myself wanting to find a copy of Songmaster to read, though. I may just have to do that...
I also find myself wanting to suddenly write Ender/Bean slash...*evil grin*
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Sorry for my really long, rambling thoughts, but it was an interesting topic...
Date: 2005-05-19 04:29 pm (UTC)From:Wow...that interview did turn hostile fast! I have to say, the interviewer was being a tad biased in her own perception of it (though as it's an honest opinion from her viewpoint, I see nothing wrong with that), but some of the things he says kinda pissed me off too. Ugh...reading his own essay is a terrible experience in justification.
I know both sides of an issue do it...leap to justify, making claims that aren't supportable and are primarily opinion based and simply self-righteous, but still...
Ignoring his comments on the military, his views on homosexuality are disturbing--that it's basically an immature, childish lifestyle that is ultimately unfulfilling--are disturbing. As are the view that one should deny it even if predispositioned. Acting out on homosexuality isn't exactly like acting on the desire to kill one's acquantainces, after all.
The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.
I love that last bit. Okay, so not only should they deny it, but they should allow us to deny it. I hate the "shove it back in the closet" attitude. Seriously. Pretending something doesn't exist and isn't going on is the true childishness. Because he says it's important not to shake the "confidence of the community" it's almost as if he's treating the community as the child which needs protection from the realities of the outside world. Kinda reminds me of The Giver, actually...
I predicted toward the beginning of the preceding essay that those who have already accepted the dogmas of the homosexual community as a source of truth superior to the words of the prophets would be incapable of reading what I had actually written here and would instead interpret my words as intolerance, oppression, gay-bashing, or, an epithet used now without a shred of its original meaning, "homophobia." My prediction was exactly fulfilled
So basically...what Card is saying is that disagreement with him is just due to closed mindedness or brainwashing? Well that's a nice way to say "I'm always right."
I do find myself wanting to find a copy of Songmaster to read, though. I may just have to do that...
I also find myself wanting to suddenly write Ender/Bean slash...*evil grin*